In this 6'22" postscript to our "SOA 2.0" episode, delivered separately due to a bit of a technical problem (Jon's Skype setup is a bit dodgy and he keeps dropping out of our conference calls), Neil M explains why Bill Gates' planned retirement from Microsoft is largely interesting as a symbol of the company's slow transition to a new technology strategy - rather than having a material impact on the company.

Neil WD muses on what might make a good leaving present.

In this 24'40" episode Neil W-D embarks on a grumpy monologue about SOA 2.0 - explaining why the term is so counter-productive and why it leads people to a dangerous, myopic perspective of SOA.

Neil M manages to get a word in edgeways, and explains how service-orientation and event-driven processing are actually completely different types of concept which shouldn't be mixed.

Jon Collins manfully tries to keep a rein on proceedings and largely succeeds.

Sorry it's taken us so long to get this most recent episode to you (it's three weeks or so since the last one...). We've just been crazily busy. We promise to try harder!